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  • Saint Mary's Deserves an At-Large Bid

    According to Joe Lunardi as of March 6, 2019 has them listed as first four out. They had a good year and deserve a bid.

    LAST FOUR BYES (KenPom/Win-Loss)
    Ole Miss (44/19-11)
    Minnesota (45/19-11)
    St. John's (67/20-10)
    Arizona State (64/20-9)

    LAST FOUR IN (KenPom/Win-Loss)
    Alabama (57/17-13)
    Seton Hall (62/16-12)
    Temple (75/21-8)
    TCU (49/18-12)

    FIRST FOUR OUT (KenPom/Win-Loss)
    Clemson (30/17-12)
    Saint Mary's (36/20-11)
    Furman (52/24-6)
    Murray State (54/25-4)

  • #2
    I'm not sure how to react other than to say, I think you're misreading Joe's chart. First four OUT doesn't mean they are getting an invite, it means he thinks they will be left OUT. In other words, if he had put them IN, then you would be justified in making the statement that Joe Lunardi thinks they deserve an at large bid.

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    • #3
      I agree; they do deserve a bid. But if UW and ASU are in the P12 tourney final, I think they both get in. And the at-large team will knock the Gaels out. No way does the committee pick a WCC team over a P12 team. And what about Utah State? If they get the autobid and NV gets the at-large, that really hurts the Gaels.
      The NBA playoffs, a best of 7 is always better than a best of 1.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by former1dog View Post
        I'm not sure how to react other than to say, I think you're misreading Joe's chart. First four OUT doesn't mean they are getting an invite, it means he thinks they will be left OUT. In other words, if he had put them IN, then you would be justified in making the statement that Joe Lunardi thinks they deserve an at large bid.
        Yeah my post was confusing. I fixed it I think.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CB4 View Post
          Yeah my post was confusing. I fixed it I think.
          Ok, sorry. I see now that you were disagreeing with Joe.

          I tend to agree with him.

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          • #6
            They didn’t get in with a 28-5 record last year.

            This year they still lost to every meaningful opponent (Mississippi State, LSU, Utah State, Gonzaga)

            And you think if they got 12 losses (cuz they’d have to lose again to get at large) that they should get IN? Don’t buy it for a sec. they deserve a bid if they win Tuesday. Nothing short of that. If they woulda had their season they did last year THIS YEAR... they get in easily. This time? They shouldn’t be anywhere near the tournament
            Qualified for 23 Straight Big Dances

            12 Straight Round of 32s

            11 Sweet Sixteens (6 Straight)

            4 Elite Eights

            2017 AND 2021 FINAL FOUR

            2 Winningest Players in college basketball history (Karnowski 137, Perkins 134)

            2021 Undefeated Regular Season

            The Best Point Guard to ever play the game: John Stockton, most assists, most steals.

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            • #7
              Smell test? Fail.

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              • #8
                No way...send them to the NIT or CBI

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                • #9
                  Has there ever been a team that lost a game by 48 points receive an at large bid?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SorenTodd45 View Post
                    I agree; they do deserve a bid. But if UW and ASU are in the P12 tourney final, I think they both get in. And the at-large team will knock the Gaels out. No way does the committee pick a WCC team over a P12 team. And what about Utah State? If they get the autobid and NV gets the at-large, that really hurts the Gaels.
                    Utah state is already in regardless
                    Qualified for 23 Straight Big Dances

                    12 Straight Round of 32s

                    11 Sweet Sixteens (6 Straight)

                    4 Elite Eights

                    2017 AND 2021 FINAL FOUR

                    2 Winningest Players in college basketball history (Karnowski 137, Perkins 134)

                    2021 Undefeated Regular Season

                    The Best Point Guard to ever play the game: John Stockton, most assists, most steals.

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                    • #11
                      But but but KenPom!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CB4 View Post
                        But but but KenPom!
                        Every system has its outliers. And SMC is definitely one of those
                        Qualified for 23 Straight Big Dances

                        12 Straight Round of 32s

                        11 Sweet Sixteens (6 Straight)

                        4 Elite Eights

                        2017 AND 2021 FINAL FOUR

                        2 Winningest Players in college basketball history (Karnowski 137, Perkins 134)

                        2021 Undefeated Regular Season

                        The Best Point Guard to ever play the game: John Stockton, most assists, most steals.

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                        • #13
                          Lunardi having SMC out doesn't mean he thinks they don't deserve it. We don't know his personal opinion. Lunardi's bracket only mirrors what the selection committee will do and nothing else. And he's very good at predicting who the committee will select and who they won't. If the committee didn't select SMC for an at large in 2016 or 2018, then I don't see them getting an at large this year either. And Lunardi knows that.

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                          • #14
                            Zero quality wins and a couple bad losses......I think out. For conference would be happy to ssh another in at some point, but not that team not this year.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ZagOD7540 View Post
                              No way...send them to the NIT or CBI
                              The CBI? You are joking, right? They are right on the Big Dance cut line. Even if they lose on Monday they are still headed to the NIT. Probably host a game as well.
                              The NBA playoffs, a best of 7 is always better than a best of 1.

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