Last 10 years of #1 seeds

[Grand Valley Zag]

Someone in the past few years did a great post outlining (and if memory serves) debunking the myth that GU underperforms their seeds. Was insightful to read.

I remember that. And I agree with the analysis.

[Grand Valley Zag]

When you earn a #1 seed it is a great accomplishment. Just because you are a #1 seed doesn't mean you are handed the championship trophy -- you still need to earn it ---- you could be one injury, a couple of phantom foul calls or have a hot team standing in the way of a title.

As a school that has not been blessed with a top 20 recruiting class every year -- the Zags have done great with the hands they have been dealt/players who have donned the uniform-- there have been posts in the past that mathematically prove that Gonzaga does not underperform in the dance and is therefore not overrated.

If you can't even get jazz to buy into your overrated theory then you really need to rethink your argument.

I'm not saying GU is overrated. I'm saying 4 one seeds with no chip is evidence for the argument that we are overrated (when 5 of the 7 shown teams with multiple #1 seeds had won a chip). Therefore, I didn't like seeing it.

[229SintoZag]

I'm not saying GU is overrated. I'm saying 4 one seeds with no chip is evidence for the argument that we are overrated (when 5 of the 7 shown teams with multiple #1 seeds had won a chip). Therefore, I didn't like seeing it.

Look, I'm very grateful for the program. A thousand praises.
But it is what it is. Seven teams had multiple #1 seeds in that time frame. And all but two won a national title. No one had more #1 seeds than us. That is evidence for the argument that GU is overrated. I don't like that argument. So I say "ouch."

The trouble is this. By your reckoning, by definition, every year at least 3 of the 4 number 1 seeds are “overrated” simply by virtue of not having won the title.

Moreover, GU has advanced to the title game both times it made the Final Four—and in doing so, presumably advanced further than at least two other “overrated” underperformers by your metric.

Moreover both times, again by your reckoning, Gonzaga’s “over-ratedness,” for lack of a better term, was as thin as is theoretically possible: rated (at best) 1 and finishing 2 out of 357 teams in Division I for the year. 1/357th is equal to .0028%. So at BEST (assuming Gonzaga was the top rated 1 seed every year—which in fact wasn’t true all four years), Gonzaga’s “underperformance” as a 1 seed sees the Zags coming up short by a whopping not even three tenths of a percent.

If that is underperformance, I hope I underperform that way when I come up “short” in life. And it is certainly not something—if it were true—that makes me conjure the word “ouch.”

[MDABE80]

I'm not saying GU is overrated. I'm saying 4 one seeds with no chip is evidence for the argument that we are overrated (when 5 of the 7 shown teams with multiple #1 seeds had won a chip). Therefore, I didn't like seeing it.

Word salad with a back door out of an unwinnable argument. Getting a no 1 seed and not winning the whole thing means little. I'd rather a no 1 seed ( and ranked no 1) any day. Doesn't mean we'll win the 6 tournament games but it does mean there's been much achievement in the past 20 years. I ok with it. Hate to lose but love the seeding and the ranking. lol maybe it'd be more appreciated if you were here in the 60's
and the 70's and 80's plus a good portion of the nineties.

I remember playing with Chuck Thomas and Gary Leachman back then just for fun........it was just a different world. We had no expectations. But the games and practices were hard work. The Big Sky was young..... In the old Kennedy Pavilion . Older Zags remembrances. But these days, we've climbed a ladder nobody thought we would or could. I rejoice in our rankings and seedings. It means we're really good year in and year out. we just don't have a title ( yet). This is just crazy stuff! No offense to Grand Valley Zag.

[TexasZagFan]

I'm new compared to some. Old compared to others. Been following the team since I enrolled in 2002 (so my whole adult life). I'm not saying the program is bad or unimpressive in any way really. Just that they underperformed their seed compared to all of the other teams named in OP.

eta: so what if I was a new fan anyway. Long-tenured loyalty to a sports team is a dumb point of pride.

You’re really coming off as a self absorbed meat head, completely focused on the destination instead of the journey. I see that type of fan everyday, that of the Dallas Cowboys.

Our teams have represented my alma mater with skill, class, and an appreciation for their fans unmatched by any other team I can think of. They do great things within the local community without seeking acclaim.

[jazzdelmar]

You’re really coming off as a self absorbed meat head, completely focused on the destination instead of the journey. I see that type of fan everyday, that of the Dallas Cowboys.

Our teams have represented my alma mater with skill, class, and an appreciation for their fans unmatched by any other team I can think of. They do great things within the local community without seeking acclaim.

Speaking of the Star, judging by Hard Knocks, while Zeke Elliott seems a great teammate, he’s definitely not a phi Beta kappa.

[GoZags]

Last decade — record in Final Four games of previously referenced 1 seeds.

Conference of Champions —. 0 wins, 2 losses. 0.000 winning percentage
Big Can’t Count Past 10 — 3 wins, 7 losses. 0.300 winning percentage.

West Coast Conference (Zags) — 2 wins, 2 losses. 0.500 winning percentage

And here we have “fans” (or a “fan”) doing their best Marlon Brando “Apocalypse Now” imitation vis a vis GU ….
“The horror … the horror”

https://youtu.be/VKcAYMb5uk4

[zagfan08]

I love when Jazz is like woah, too far. And it's obviously true.

[jazzdelmar]

I love when Jazz is like woah, too far. And it's obviously true.

This is beyond far, 08.

[spike_jr]

Jazz, if I want to chat with a Phi Beta Kappa, I'll talk to you. If I want a guy that can throw it 60 yards on a rope......

PS - I am a big fan of whoever "America's Team" is playing. I was never a fan, even when they were good (which I don't think they have been this century). I guess that Jimmy Johnson was a little bit better "football guy" than Jerry Jones. Although I don't think that you can't argue with Jerry's business acumen. He is making bank although his teams continue to be mediocre.

[jazzdelmar]

Jazz, if I want to chat with a Phi Beta Kappa, I'll talk to you. If I want a guy that can throw it 60 yards on a rope......

PS - I am a big fan of whoever "America's Team" is playing. I was never a fan, even when they were good (which I don't think they have been this century). I guess that Jimmy Johnson was a little bit better "football guy" than Jerry Jones. Although I don't think that you can't argue with Jerry's business acumen. He is making bank although his teams continue to be mediocre.

Zak is articulate. Talking bout Ezekiel Elliott.

[spike_jr]

Ok. If I want a guy that can run a 4.4 40, whether it be around or over the defense….

[jazzdelmar]

Ok. If I want a guy that can run a 4.4 40, whether it be around or over the defense….

Now you got me.

[spike_jr]

Now you got me.

You’re still WAY ahead of me, as per usual!

[jazzdelmar]

You’re still WAY ahead of me, as per usual!

As in, I’m a number one seed here and you’re in Dayton?