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  • What have we learned about PT thus far?

    What do we think these games suggest about how playing time will be distributed? It’s early, real early but that said, I think we may be seeing something different than the past. I think we will see 10 players regularly get minutes. I think Kaden and Ben will get more than spot minutes (but not a whole lot unless there is injury or serious foul trouble) against most opponents. Thoughts?

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    The rotation will tighten up as it always does. You will have a main eight man rotation that is made up of Timme, Holmgren, Strawther, Bolton, Nembhard, Watson, Sallis, and Hickman. There will be spot minutes for Perry depending on situations and I don't see Gregg playing much more than mop up or emergency minutes. Harris is the wildcard, if he can get healthy, but I have no idea on his prognosis.

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    • #3
      What do you mean by “spot” minutes? Ben and Kaden ad 6 and 8 minutes last night. Do you think it will regularly be less than that in conference play?

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      • #4
        Coach Michaelson coached our 1st 3 games.

        His use of players and rotating starters etc will likely be quite different than Coach Few.

        I agree we will probably see more players from time to time, yet Few in his 22nd year at Gonzaga. We've had talented rosters in the past yet he isn't changing his ways.

        It will be a dedicated 7, maybe 8 man rotation by Xmas at the latest. He's experimented with some freshman in the past. See Dom and Julian last year. Then, he goes with his 7 man group, and the rest will be spot mins for foul issues, blowouts, etc.

        Obviously players like Sallis and Perry need and warrant mins yet likely short lived unless they leap frog others in rotation.

        Coach Few an incredible coach, very little to critique, and the only ones I've come up with in recent years are 1. Early timeouts if/when getting beaten bad early, and 2. Over playing starters throughout the season. Keeping starting lineups in when up 30 with 3 mins remaining, while claiming metrics in post game interviews. Gotta play these guys and hope he continues what B Mike has last 3 games

        But I have my doubts

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        • #5
          I believe Sallis with get significant minutes. You need to listen to the interview with Coach Few....I also believe that Perry or Gregg will get more than mop up minutes. I see a 9 man rotation. Few is open to change. He's pretty smart.

          Go Zags!!!
          Go Zags!!! The Best Is Yet To Come!!!

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          • #6
            Turnovers and shooting will impact minutes from game-to-game. Keep the hot hand in, rotate out the guy trying to do too much.

            Watson is demanding minutes with his defense. The only thing that will curb that will be turnovers when trying to score inside.

            I love how Hickman plays with a type of contempt when someone can't guard him. He's insulted that the defensive player is going to try to hang with him when they both know he can't. We need players like this to put away teams that GU sometimes let hang around after getting a good lead. Bolton has this too. This means PT in WCC play.

            Whoever figures out the 'Ayayi back cut' move first when Holmgren and and Timme are facing up at the top of the key will be guaranteed 10 mins and 10 points a game. It's impossible to guard.
            Ihre Papiere bitte

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            • #7
              How long is Dom projected to be out for? We could use another quality guard.
              "There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first time. I owe him my best."--Joe DiMaggio

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Therunner View Post
                His use of players and rotating starters etc will likely be quite different than Coach Few.
                I doubt this is the case; no way Michaelson is deviating from a set plan for the rotation laid out by Few, especially with Texas looming.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CarolinaZagFan View Post
                  How long is Dom projected to be out for? We could use another quality guard.
                  I think the conventional wisdom is he'd be back by conference play

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mr Vulture View Post
                    The rotation will tighten up as it always does. You will have a main eight man rotation that is made up of Timme, Holmgren, Strawther, Bolton, Nembhard, Watson, Sallis, and Hickman. There will be spot minutes for Perry depending on situations and I don't see Gregg playing much more than mop up or emergency minutes. Harris is the wildcard, if he can get healthy, but I have no idea on his prognosis.
                    - my hunch is your 8 man rotation is probably correct
                    - yet my BOLD prediction this year is coach few breaks his mold and has a 9 man rotation (10 minutes or more)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by strikenowhere View Post
                      I doubt this is the case; no way Michaelson is deviating from a set plan for the rotation laid out by Few, especially with Texas looming.
                      I agree. The rotation plan against Dixie State was to go deep into the bench and it would have been the same with or without Few.

                      Last season we ran 9 and 10 man rotations against Northwestern State in our first two cupcake games. In the first meeting we had 10 players get 10 minutes or more. In the second game we had 9 guys get 9 minutes or more. Those games, with Few, ran a deeper rotation than the game last night against Dixie State that had 8 guys at 10+, 8 guys at 9+.

                      Right now the rotation is:

                      PG Nembhard
                      PG Bolton
                      SF Strawther
                      PF Holmgren
                      C Timme

                      Reserve Big = Anton Watson
                      Reserve PG = Hickman
                      Reserve Wing = Sallis

                      Ballo Role (early minutes to see if he can develop) = Perry

                      Very little chance to see a meaningful minute this season = Gregg, Lang, Alrauskas, Graves

                      Wildcard = Dom

                      On Saturday it will be that 8 man rotation. If there is foul trouble on a couple of the bigs, Perry gets 7 to 10 minutes. Gregg isn't ready to take minutes from Perry, let alone Holmgren or Timme in a big game. The real competition now is how the minutes will be distributed amongst the eight man rotation in meaningful games.

                      Does Watson bring enough to take (additional) minutes from either Timme or Holmgren?
                      Is Hickman good enough to take minutes from Andrew or Rasir?
                      Is Sallis good enough to take minutes from Strawther?

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                      • #12
                        Imo I think Watson will see significant minutes. He's so disruptive on D. Him and Holmgrem together is fun to watch. I'm hoping Timme can keep his man I'm front of him. It will be interesting to see what we throw @ Texas. Will it throw the team off to have Few coaching his first game on this scale?
                        America's Team!

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                        • #13
                          Whole lot of new players and players that didn't see a whole lot of minutes last year. Of course I expected Chet to be out there as one of our best players but I wanted to see with regard to everyone else.

                          -Bolton seems like a much needed steady hand and a great shooter. He's been starting and I think he's there to say
                          -Strawther looks great and will get big minutes
                          -I'm excited by what I see from all these players, if not for this year for future seasons in some cases. This season? I'd be in the gym getting up as many three pointers as I can. Think the 8 man rotations posted here seem to be about right, but being able to come off the bench and hit some 3s might be a way to sneak in.

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                          • #14
                            I'm not sure how I feel about who deserves more minutes between Gregg and Perry. Perry is a front of the rim player who has the ability to play through people in CLOSE. But he doesn't have the finesse, ball handling or outside shot that Gregg does. I suspect that it will be situational as to what's needed. But Gregg is definitely a more versatile player on offense than Perry at this point. I haven't really focused on their defensive capability too much at this point. Long term, I give the slight edge to Gregg I guess.

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                            • #15
                              Perry and Gregg are completely different players and I believe will get similar minutes throughout the year and will be situational based off the tempo of the game.
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