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  • #31
    By the way, what happened to the Dons Centeal board?

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    • #32
      Too bad. Don't like seeing the WCC losing good coaches. Not good for the conference.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by jazzdelmar View Post
        Multi-level jumping is hard unless your name is Hurley or you're a former great player. He topped out at USF this year, IMO. And apparently in his as well. Baby steps up the ladder, KS is making all the right moves. Making the tourney in the WCC? C'mon, there's a 600 pound gorilla in your path; and a formidable (and familiar to Kyle) 2nd banana.
        I think the WCC should see itself as a 2 big league minimum every year. I suspect it works out that way, on average, 2 bids per year? Yes, he has SMC across the Bay.

        I guess I just don't like seeing him leave. But I also don't see why you think WSU at this point in time is the right "next rung" on that ladder. A lot of pretty good coaches have wallowed there.

        I am biased, I don't like him leaving. I think Rose had lost his mojo and that BYU just has way too much going for it to continue to lose 12 games a year. So I think they will get a bump with new energy. I don't know anything about USF and the top assistant, perhaps they're trying to "Zag it" and continue building from within. I hope it works. SMC I have tremendous fear for if Randy leaves and takes the Cal job, which would likely be perfect for him.

        If Bennett leaves, SMC has done nothing in its rise with him to sustain itself, no big upgrades in anything at all. USF at least seems to have a long-term plan, same as SCU.
        Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
        Mark Twain.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DixieZag View Post
          I think the WCC should see itself as a 2 big league minimum every year. I suspect it works out that way, on average, 2 bids per year? Yes, he has SMC across the Bay.

          I guess I just don't like seeing him leave. But I also don't see why you think WSU at this point in time is the right "next rung" on that ladder. A lot of pretty good coaches have wallowed there.

          I am biased, I don't like him leaving. I think Rose had lost his mojo and that BYU just has way too much going for it to continue to lose 12 games a year. So I think they will get a bump with new energy. I don't know anything about USF and the top assistant, perhaps they're trying to "Zag it" and continue building from within. I hope it works. SMC I have tremendous fear for if Randy leaves and takes the Cal job, which would likely be perfect for him.

          If Bennett leaves, SMC has done nothing in its rise with him to sustain itself, no big upgrades in anything at all. USF at least seems to have a long-term plan, same as SCU.
          Dix, u realize you're arguing both sides of the same coin, right? Opportunity trumps all.......Few is the outlier. The WCC would be a 2-bid league in off years for the Zags. Careful what you wish for.

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          • #35
            WCC is not Pac12....Bennett launched from Pullman why can’t Kyle?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by jazzdelmar View Post
              Dix, u realize you're arguing both sides of the same coin, right? Opportunity trumps all.......Few is the outlier. The WCC would be a 2-bid league in off years for the Zags. Careful what you wish for.
              Yes. I do, as I admitted, I don't like seeing him leave.

              BUT, I also think the USF job wasn't a bad job at all, at any point. Yes, Few is the outlier. OTOH, the one thing the WCC really does have going for it is the destinations aren't bad at all. If you wanted to settle in and develop a program like Few did, well, USF isn't a bad place, nor is SMC, SCU, LMU, USD or Portland. All great places to live, recruit, etc.
              Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
              Mark Twain.

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              • #37
                Such a step down for Smith on a quality level, probably good financially though. Lets take a more critical look at Bennett too... He took over what his dad built, saw that WSU was never going to be what he wanted it to be and went to greener pastures.

                JMHO Smith wants a P5 job... any P5 job... to add to his resume so he can get a bigger P5 job.
                "And Morrison? He did what All-Americans do. He shot daggers in the daylight and stole a win." - Steve Kelley (Seattle Times)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Zagceo View Post
                  WCC is not Pac12....Bennett launched from Pullman why can’t Kyle?
                  Kelvin Sampson too, when he took the job at Oklahoma on his first ascension before the stumble at Indiana.
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                  • #39
                    No way Bennett goes to the dumpster fire that is Cal. It is in no way "perfect" for him. He did a courtesy interview for the job last time and wanted nothing to do with it. There's nothing about that environment that appeals to him. He's been pretty clear about that for over a decade now. Everyone has their price - I'm not naive to that - but he's turned down more money to stay at SMC before, and Cal is a financial mess. They can't throw enough money at him right now to convince him to give up the comfort and control he has at SMC. They're still going to be paying Wyking for another few years. It's a mess over there. No way.

                    Todd Golden, the USF assistant they're talking about to replace Smith, played for St. Mary's under Bennett around a decade ago. He's a little green to be getting a head coaching job in D1 (he's 27 and has only been an assistant 2 or 3 years) but he's no stranger to the WCC. Another branch of the Bennett tree.

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                    • #40
                      Financially better and lower taxes.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by bartruff1 View Post
                        I can understand why someone on a coach's salary would leave SF for Pullman especially if they have a family with kids in school …….

                        but Moraga is just a very special place to live....I have not been there for awhile but it is beautiful …. the blossoms must be out now that line the entry road....

                        I can understand why god is a gael and lives there...I cannot imagine Randy would leave...
                        I tend to agree - Randy would have to get a pretty great offer to leave.

                        I'm sorry to see Kyle go, he did good work with USF, which can only serve to elevate the WCC.
                        I will thank God for the day and the moment I have. - Jimmy V

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                        • #42
                          Terrible news for the league. Kyle is the best coach the league has had since Few and Bennett. Just when I thought USF was getting it going again with a new AD, a remodeled gym and a new bright coach......

                          Like others, I feel this job could be a stepping stone job for Smith. Just like Tony Bennett. I think Kyle is that good of a head basketball coach.

                          On the other hand, this is a home run hire for the Cougs. They couldn't have gotten a better coach..

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by CDC84 View Post
                            Terrible news for the league. Kyle is the best coach the league has had since Few and Bennett. Just when I thought USF was getting it going again with a new AD, a remodeled gym and a new bright coach......

                            Like others, I feel this job could be a stepping stone job for Smith. Just like Tony Bennett. I think Kyle is that good of a head basketball coach.

                            On the other hand, this is a home run hire for the Cougs. They couldn't have gotten a better coach..
                            But can he recruit to Pullman? SF has a bit more draw than Pullman area.
                            "And Morrison? He did what All-Americans do. He shot daggers in the daylight and stole a win." - Steve Kelley (Seattle Times)

                            "Gonzaga is a special place, with special people!" - Dan Dickau #21

                            Foo me once shame on you, Foo me twice shame on me.

                            2012 Foostrodamus - Foothsayer of Death

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
                              But can he recruit to Pullman? SF has a bit more draw than Pullman area.
                              It's not like Kyle was getting a bunch of Pac12 level recruits to USF. I keep reading all this negativity about WSU but here are the positives. The facilities at WSU are far superior to USF even if they are on the lower end of the P12. He will make significantly more at WSU than at USF. He will be able to access a higher level of recruit than he has previously even if it's not your top tier guys nationally.

                              Additionally, WSU has a school president and an AD that will pay to keep a successful coach..see Leach ($4M a year). Back when Bennett left WSU, it wasn't a slam dunk decision for him. Go back and read the story on when he left. He basically had no choice as the inept WSU president refused to pay even close to fair value for Tony and they also had actually CUT funding to the program. They wouldn't even allow the staff to have limited charters for recruiting and wouldn't pay for the staff to attend the Final Four which is standard practice at the P6 level. With all that, he actually turned down the job once and was on the phone to turn it down again when his wife told him to take a step back and think.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by JAGzag View Post
                                By the way, what happened to the Dons Centeal board?
                                My understanding is that due to the fellow who ran it, everyone jumped ship. They're now on reddit:

                                https://www.reddit.com/r/usfdons/

                                It's not super-active, but at least it isn't toxic like the old site.
                                I will thank God for the day and the moment I have. - Jimmy V

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