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  • Three Man Weave BYU Preview

    Three Man Weave is counting up with team previews, and they just got to #25 BYU.

    https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/byu-2022-preview

    Full list of previews here, including #28 Texas Tech and #34 Arizona:

    https://www.three-man-weave.com/conference-previews-1

  • #2
    Methinks BYU brings it this year. Glad to see Mark Pope at the helm. The game in Provo this year could be the WCC Gem of the Year. Or, maybe a bit later, the WCC Championship Showdown could be the gem.




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    Yeah, we're "The Champs," uh-huh!

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    • #3
      Oh good, another year of hyping up BYU in the preseason. Here's my bold prediction--First Four, and eliminated before actually getting to the Round of 64. Just like every year. Wash, rinse, repeat. Wake me up if it ever changes.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seacatfan View Post
        Oh good, another year of hyping up BYU in the preseason. Here's my bold prediction--First Four, and eliminated before actually getting to the Round of 64. Just like every year. Wash, rinse, repeat. Wake me up if it ever changes.
        Truth.....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kiddwell View Post
          Methinks BYU brings it this year. Glad to see Mark Pope at the helm. The game in Provo this year could be the WCC Gem of the Year. Or, maybe a bit later, the WCC Championship Showdown could be the gem.




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          Originally posted by seacatfan View Post
          Oh good, another year of hyping up BYU in the preseason. Here's my bold prediction--First Four, and eliminated before actually getting to the Round of 64. Just like every year. Wash, rinse, repeat. Wake me up if it ever changes.
          There seem to be two narratives every year, and both can be bona fide. But I agree that on objective measures of hanging banners, BYU hasn't hung a single one since joining the WCC, unless you count "Tournament Appearance." BYU hasn't won a regular season title, or WCC title, or any meaningful NCAA game. It's biggest wins are the occasional "we beat Gonzaga" games, and as much as an accomplishment as it feels like, you can't hang that banner.

          Compliments to having a dedicated fanbase an bringing great resources to the conference. That is nothing to ignore.
          Originally posted by Reborn
          Go Zags!!!
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          • #6
            Pope is 44-15 in his two years with KenPom finishes of 13 and 20. 6 seed last year who ended up playing a pretty decent UCLA team that GU struggled to beat. Was also predicted to have a 5 seed 2 years ago when the tourney was cancelled. I think there has definitely been improvement since he took over.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bdmiller7 View Post
              Pope is 44-15 in his two years with KenPom finishes of 13 and 20. 6 seed last year who ended up playing a pretty decent UCLA team that GU struggled to beat. Was also predicted to have a 5 seed 2 years ago when the tourney was cancelled. I think there has definitely been improvement since he took over.
              That was the direction I was going, too. Getting beat by UCLA last year wasn't a bad deal in the end.

              I think now it's becoming the destination again for the best LDS players, and it might become a positive feedback loop.
              Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
              Mark Twain.

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              • #8
                no defense

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                • #9
                  BYU has had some good teams and good players. I've just heard too many predictions about this is the year they're going to take a big step forward. Maybe having a new coach will be the difference, 2 years in isn't very long. We'll see. I'm kind of a skeptic I guess.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bdmiller7 View Post
                    Pope is 44-15 in his two years with KenPom finishes of 13 and 20. 6 seed last year who ended up playing a pretty decent UCLA team that GU struggled to beat. Was also predicted to have a 5 seed 2 years ago when the tourney was cancelled. I think there has definitely been improvement since he took over.
                    Originally posted by DZ View Post
                    That was the direction I was going, too. Getting beat by UCLA last year wasn't a bad deal in the end.

                    I think now it's becoming the destination again for the best LDS players, and it might become a positive feedback loop.
                    Banners trump analytics. Banners continue to evade them. That may change, but it hasn't yet.
                    Originally posted by Reborn
                    Go Zags!!!
                    Self-Proclaimed GIF Proprietor

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by zagdontzig View Post
                      Banners trump analytics. Banners continue to evade them. That may change, but it hasn't yet.
                      Just a difference in standards. I think being one of the 20 best teams is pretty good, I don’t think they need to be better than Gonzaga to be good. I also am looking at just Pope’s tenure because I think he’s a better coach than Rose was. Rose had a lot of talent at BYU at times and seemed to underachieve, while I think Pope has overachieved.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bdmiller7 View Post
                        Just a difference in standards. I think being one of the 20 best teams is pretty good, I don’t think they need to be better than Gonzaga to be good. I also am looking at just Pope’s tenure because I think he’s a better coach than Rose was. Rose had a lot of talent at BYU at times and seemed to underachieve, while I think Pope has overachieved.
                        I agree with all of that.
                        Originally posted by Reborn
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                        • #13
                          I haven't looked at their non-conference schedule yet, but I sure hope they are not just playing cupcakes. It would be nice to have a conference foe be an analytical boost rather than a clunk

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kiddwell View Post
                            Methinks BYU brings it this year. Glad to see Mark Pope at the helm. The game in Provo this year could be the WCC Gem of the Year. Or, maybe a bit later, the WCC Championship Showdown could be the gem

                            :]
                            I have very mixed feelings about Pope. I know he will encourage a style of play that is tougher than what we will see from the rest of the conference but I believe he will also encourage his players to act like thugs when they can get away with it. No evidence for this but the worst years for Dave Rose teams playing with gorilla tactics were those years when he had Pope as his assistant. I don’t mind hard physical games but I don’t want to see the cheap shot Kafusi years returning to BYU. I hope I’m wrong.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by zagamatic View Post
                              I haven't looked at their non-conference schedule yet, but I sure hope they are not just playing cupcakes. It would be nice to have a conference foe be an analytical boost rather than a clunk
                              BYU is the one WCC team that usually plays a decent schedule. This year’s schedule so far:
                              @ Utah
                              Home vs San Diego St and Utah St
                              Oregon in Portland
                              Creighton in South Dakota
                              Iona (Pitino) in MSG
                              Diamond Head Classic (3 games)
                              Some other mid majors and 3 games left to schedule

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