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  • Originally posted by LongIslandZagFan
    So you just assume he did this intentionally. Seriously dude... if anyone is going to be in trouble it is the guy responsible for handing him that weapon. But I get it, he doesn't think like you do, so he must be evil and did this intentionally. SMDH
    I am a gun owner. I will tell you this everytime I pick up a gun I assume it is loaded until I check for myself and even after doing that I treat the gun as if it is loaded. Also I would never fire a gun without checking that the ammunition is the correct caliber etc... I would hope that even on a movie set everyone who touches a gun would also do the same including the actor. There is plenty of blame to go around here.

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    • Originally posted by Eroop22 View Post
      I am a gun owner. I will tell you this everytime I pick up a gun I assume it is loaded until I check for myself and even after doing that I treat the gun as if it is loaded. Also I would never fire a gun without checking that the ammunition is the correct caliber etc... I would hope that even on a movie set everyone who touches a gun would also do the same including the actor. There is plenty of blame to go around here.

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      You have technicians on set that are responsible that. There is literally a person whose primary role on set is to handle firearms and verify them for safety. You cannot expect all actors to know what to do and how to check.

      https://apnews.com/article/entertain...1f5d755ac4ca0c

      From article above:

      WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WEAPONS ON SET?


      Generally, a weapons master or armorer oversees all weapons that are used on a production. This can mean anything from selecting the correct items for a certain period in history, to taking care of the weapons on set and making sure they are being used safely and properly by actors and stuntpeople. It’s a fairly new position in the history of film production, going back only to the 1980s. Before that, the prop master handled everything. Recently, it’s become more common to enlist specialists.


      WHAT ARE THE RULES FOR FIREARMS ON SET?


      The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors’ Equity Association’s guidelines state that, “Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside.” Further, “All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.”
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      • Originally posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
        You have technicians on set that are responsible that. There is literally a person whose primary role on set is to handle firearms and verify them for safety. You cannot expect all actors to know what to do and how to check.
        Yes I can. If you pick up a weapon you should know how to operate it. Guns aren't toys to be played with. They need to be handled responsible and with the respect they deserve.

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        • Originally posted by Eroop22 View Post
          Yes I can. If you pick up a weapon you should know how to operate it. Guns aren't toys to be played with. They need to be handled responsible and with the respect they deserve.

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          Read my edit.
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          • Originally posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
            Read my edit.
            I read your edit and as a responsible gun owner I will tell you that is some serious bull####. You never accept a loaded gun. When taking possession of a weapon from someone else the gun should be unloaded and the action open.

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            • Originally posted by Eroop22 View Post
              I read your edit and as a responsible gun owner I will tell you that is some serious bull####. You never accept a loaded gun. When taking possession of a weapon from someone else the gun should be unloaded and the action open.

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              Lets assume that everything was done and it still occurred. Things we don't know to this point: a) was it a real gun with blanks or was it a gun incapable of shooting... both exist on movie sets b) What was actually discharged, if was loaded with blanks as has been stated, what was discharged as a result c) what exact protocols were followed.

              I will assume unless something comes out stating otherwise that all protocols were followed. But to your point... points a and b are major questions that need to be answered before we can just plain assume the actor did anything wrong
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              • Originally posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
                Lets assume that everything was done and it still occurred. Things we don't know to this point: a) was it a real gun with blanks or was it a gun incapable of shooting... both exist on movie sets b) What was actually discharged, if was loaded with blanks as has been stated, what was discharged as a result c) what exact protocols were followed.

                I will assume unless something comes out stating otherwise that all protocols were followed. But to your point... points a and b are major questions that need to be answered before we can just plain assume the actor did anything wrong
                True we don't know the whole story yet. I initially said there was plenty of blame to go around. Meaning anyone on set who touched the gun. That includes Alec Baldwin. I am not saying he murdered someone. Just that if he didn't actively follow all gun safety protocols that every person who uses one should then he is to blame for carelessly handling a firearm. You can't just say well prop master Jim gave it to me and said it was blanks. If you touch a firearm it is your responsibility to know how to handle and operate said weapon that includes knowing what your ammunition is be that blanks or live rounds.

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                • Its reckless when you don't know the protocol of clearing and loading a weapon yourself IMO

                  Baldwin said "Why was I handed a HOT gun"?

                  The very first safety bulletin adopted by the Industrywide Labor-Management Safety Committee dealt with the dangers of blank ammunition. “Blanks can kill,” the bulletin says. “Treat all firearms as though they are loaded.”
                  https://deadline.com/2021/10/alec-ba...st-1234860500/


                  https://news.yahoo.com/why-handed-ho...130845626.html

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                  • Originally posted by LongIslandZagFan
                    Yes it is... you are the one that started this with a joke. BTW him cooperating, reaching out to her family, sitting outside the sheriff's office is him living with his mistake.

                    But go ahead... make jokes and then act all pious.
                    Just an FYI I personally wasn't coming at this topic from a political stance. I also actually like most of Alec Baldwin's work. I was strictly looking at this from a gun safety position. The only reason I even posted was because you said the blame falls on the person who handed Alec the gun. Looking back this thread isn't the place for this conversation. I probably should have just bit my tongue.

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                    • Originally posted by Eroop22 View Post
                      Just an FYI I personally wasn't coming at this topic from a political stance. I also actually like most of Alec Baldwin's work. I was strictly looking at this from a gun safety position. The only reason I even posted was because you said the blame falls on the person who handed Alec the gun. Looking back this thread isn't the place for this conversation. I probably should have just bit my tongue.

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                      Wasn’t directed at you. From reports looks like there is a lot of blame to go around. I was looking at it strictly from the standpoint of what is considered standards for the industry. The armorer on the set is responsible for checking, loading, and providing the weapons. They are also responsible for teaching then actors on how to check the gun themselves as well. Based on what I have read to this point, the training was somewhat lax and not to the level it should have been. In that sense the person carries more responsibility than the actor… not all the blame. I should have been clearer about that
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                      • Originally posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
                        Wasn’t directed at you. From reports looks like there is a lot of blame to go around. I was looking at it strictly from the standpoint of what is considered standards for the industry. The armorer on the set is responsible for checking, loading, and providing the weapons. They are also responsible for teaching then actors on how to check the gun themselves as well. Based on what I have read to this point, the training was somewhat lax and not to the level it should have been. In that sense the person carries more responsibility than the actor… not all the blame. I should have been clearer about that
                        I knew it wasn't directed at me. Just wanted to make it clear I wasn't being political and that I don't have a dislike for Baldwin. Ultimately I still believe that all the responsibility belongs to the person who is using the firearm. I feel this way because to think differently would fly in the face of everything I have ever been taught relating to gun safety. I get that a movie set is different thing altogether and people who have no business picking up a firearm are freely given them. Honestly not a safe situation for anyone and not a place I would want to be.

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                        • So LIZF, what was it like to see Jalen have a such a good game against the Knicks?
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                          • Originally posted by kitzbuel View Post
                            So LIZF, what was it like to see Jalen have a such a good game against the Knicks?
                            I will be honest... didn't watch it. Sunday is football day in the household and there would have been protests if I had switched to and early season NBA game. Plus was doing some work down at the brewery for most of the day. So missed it.

                            Honestly, I can live with him having a good game against my Knicks.
                            "And Morrison? He did what All-Americans do. He shot daggers in the daylight and stole a win." - Steve Kelley (Seattle Times)

                            "Gonzaga is a special place, with special people!" - Dan Dickau #21

                            Foo me once shame on you, Foo me twice shame on me.

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                            • My new truck got hit in a hospital parking lot while I was inside with my daughter. It was a stressful procedure for my daughter and it really sucked to come out to that. Luckily, the lady left a note with her information. I picked out a shop that I had heard really good stuff about that and her insurance told me I would get a comparable rental to my truck. Enterprise called me and said they wouldn't be able to get a truck for me and asked if an SUV would work. I said yes, thinking I would get something like a Pilot or Tahoe or something. They were supposed to pick me up at the auto body shop and even called to confirm with me the time. I got to the auto body shop and was told enterprise was short staffed and that they would drive me there when someone in their shop was available. It was cold, windy, and rainy waiting outside this morning for 20 minutes or so for someone to give me a ride. I was expecting to not be outside much so I didn't dress for the weather. I got to enterprise and there appeared to be only two employees working. Poor guys seem really overwhelmed. I had to wait for him to take multiple phone calls before he was able to help me. He took my info and says I will go out and clean up your car and bring it around front. I could see the video feeds on their lot and it was the only vehicle out there and there was no one else working out there. I couldn't make out the vehicle until he pulled around front. It was a Nissan Rogue. I don't even think that's considered an SUV, but you can't complain these days since there are no workers and no cars. The shop told me it might take a week or two to fix my car. There's no way I can fit my mountain bike in that little car. I know this is a whiny post about first world problems, but man does it suck that 4 months into having my truck it already gets hit and now I'm stuck driving a tiny little car that can't accommodate my hobbies.
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                              • That sucks. Maybe you can ride local.


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